tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18497138.post114374565465777057..comments2024-01-22T03:02:52.051-08:00Comments on California Greening: a tipping point, maybe.Weshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15684763427526399228noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18497138.post-1143911109860824002006-04-01T09:05:00.000-08:002006-04-01T09:05:00.000-08:00Actually, Wes, I do agree with skipping the aggres...Actually, Wes, I do agree with skipping the aggressive proselytizing that often amounts to blaming the prospect for bad conduct or not knowing that company x is "bad" or that sort of thing. <BR/><BR/>Educating to me means education in the larger sense, sometimes outside of the electoral process. In addition to helping with issues that affect a given community, and "being seen being Green" that is. . .Roger, Gone Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17866426929094511058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18497138.post-1143863885181638282006-03-31T19:58:00.000-08:002006-03-31T19:58:00.000-08:00Roger, your comments are correct. However, I think...Roger, your comments are correct. However, I think that there is a tendency for Greens not to want to proselytize. I have heard so many times that we need to wait until someone comes forward and then give them a hand. But what if they don't know we are here or what we stand for. I think that there is no problem with our taking the Green message into the streets and specifically targeting a population that is undergoing change. If we have the right stuff, change will move our way. If we don't, then we don't deserve their registrations anyway.Weshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15684763427526399228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18497138.post-1143775414702793922006-03-30T19:23:00.000-08:002006-03-30T19:23:00.000-08:00I realized I need to be more explicit on that seco...I realized I need to be more explicit on that second point: The Democrats stood (loosely) with the farmworker movement in the 60's and supported, weakly, other social justice issues. But it is widely perceived that the Dems are losing latino support; meanwhile, many latinos see that it is the Republicans who best represent their often socially conservative values, especially as pertains to right-to-life issues, marriage and family issues, and government regulation. But because the Republicans are an uneasy coalition of xenophobes and employers who depend on the exploitative wages available to illegals, that party often gets the immigration issues wrong.<BR/><BR/>The flaw in the approach, I am suggesting, is courting a voting block by narrow issues where the rest of the party platform is not consistent. <BR/><BR/>I know many individuals with Spanish surnames who are avowedly and completely Green; I think that sort of convert, across traditional ethnic and political divides, is what the Green party offers.Roger, Gone Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17866426929094511058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18497138.post-1143771371708352462006-03-30T18:16:00.000-08:002006-03-30T18:16:00.000-08:00Green is not Pink; as you say there is nothing in ...Green is not Pink; as you say there is nothing in the 10 Key or elsewhere that suggests it, let alone mandates that conclusion. Indeed, the value of the Green Party is that it is a better kind of democracy, and able to support a better kind of American capitalism. As a new member of the Los Angeles County County Council I will actively resist wrongheaded warmed-over leftist leadership. <BR/><BR/>I have, of course, written about this before,briefly in <A HREF="http://socalgreen.blogspot.com/2006/02/left-right-and-green.html" REL="nofollow"> Left, Right & Green </A> at my So Cal Green blog.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, if would be equally foolish to court Hispanic leaders just because there are a lot of Hispanic voters. Unless those voters are educated about and attuned to Green values, they will not be happy in the party and it will be a short-lived demographic shift. (Unless the party cravenly compromises its values and finds itself held captive by a large voting block.)<BR/><BR/> On the other hand, there is value in educating local leaders, including Hispanic leaders, in Green values and the benefits to all.Roger, Gone Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17866426929094511058noreply@blogger.com